Interview with Bob Dixon:

 

       Bob is a fellow who graduated from a Federal Pen.  I interviewed him in Denver regarding his experience there.

 

            Q. What comes to your mind first when questioned about this experience?

 

            A. What comes to mind first are the lies and deceit that goes on from the moment that you come into contact with the system until you are released.

 

             Q.  Give me an example of that.

 

A.  When you get on the airlift and you are flying to the prison and someone asked the U.S. Marshals where we are going to, they intentionally say that they don't know or they say Seattle when they know they are going to San Diego.  To me this was the beginning of the lies.

 

             Q.  What are some other examples?

 

                        A.  The jobs you are assigned to once you get to camp: the reasons that you can't get in a particular room.  People try to shift to one barracks from another. The case manager who handles all the requests is very inept at misleading people.  Two weeks later, you are still in the same room.  It is an intentional, obvious effort to mislead, confuse and create havoc in people's heads.  Everyone has to work.

 

             Q.  Tell me about your job.

 

             A.  My job was an orderly sort of job. Every morning we reported to the tool shed and they took roll call. Everybody in custody was there for roll call.  Then you went to the job that you were assigned to. Sometimes they would pull you off and have you do other things.  My job as an orderly was a cushy job. It was a job a lot of people wanted because it was inside and air-conditioned and you didn't have to be outside scooping dirt.  I would report to the visiting room and would work there from 8:30 till about 10:00 and then we would take off and go to our rooms until 11:00 when we went to chow.  At 12:00 we would go the tool shed for roll call.  We were just putting in time. At 12:30 or as late as 2:00 we would go back to work then that was it for the day.  We worked about 3 1/2 hours a day out of eight hours, and most of that wasn't work; it was just piddling around.

 

             Q.  How did you feel about being incarcerated?

 

             A.  I felt worthless like I was in a machine; my time was being wasted.  The whole thing was a waste of time.

 

            Q.  What did you do for fun?

 

             A.  For exercise and realization, I would go outside and walk about four miles a day.  They had a recreation area where you could play pool and lift weights.  They had a fair amount of facilities as far as diversion is concerned.  I spent a lot of time reading.  I went to Bible Study and took a computer class.

 

            Q.  Did you like the class?

 

            A.  They had no computers, and they had no books.

 

            Q.  How did your experience effect your family?

 

            A.  It had a very negative effect on my wife.  She still has not resolved the fear and uncertainty and surrounds the whole thing.  She doesn't feel that she has a solid center to hold onto.  My daughter was pretty worried but I don't know much about what my sons thought about the deal.

 

Q.  Were there other dangerous tax criminals there?

 

            A.  Yes, there were usually about a dozen or so.

 

            Q.  How many people were in the prison?

 

            A.  There were about 500 plus residents. Generally it didn't seem that overcrowded except during the chow time.

 

            Q.  How was the chow?

 

 

A.  In relation to other prisons, I think it was great?

 

            Q.  Do you think that  putting people in jail for willfully not filing tax returns make them believers in the government?

 

            A.  No.  It is my experience that people become stronger in their convictions.

 

            Q.  Were you afraid in prison?

 

            A.  It wasn't scary but there is some anxiety involved in being handcuffed.

 

            Q.  Do you have regrets about your stand?

 

            A.  Well, I don't have any regrets, I have inconveniences.  I still believe in my stand.  My prison experience didn't change my beliefs about the unfairness and hypocrisy of our current income tax system.

 

            Q.  How is your life now that you are back in society?

 

            A.  Life is returning to normal. It is probably going to take six months.

 

            Well, thank you for taking the time to speak with us.  I hope things go well for you and you should be proud of your stand.  Eventually, the country will wake up to the tyranny of the Federal Government.

HARRY GETS TOUGH

 

       Recently a fellow by the name of Harry decided to really stick it to the IRS.  Harry hadn't filed in many years, like over ten, to be exact.  Now one day Harry realized that he was in a real bad position.  He was not judgment proof.  He had a good job and a house with a lot of equity in it.  However Harry is quite a smart guy, so he decided that he would do something about the problem.  He started to prepare for a Chapter 7 about three years in advance.  The first thing he did was to prepare all his back returns for both the state and the feds.

 

             Then he filed the returns by certified mail, return receipt.  He included an extra copy of each return and mailed each year in a separate envelope.  He asked the IRS to mark the extra copy as received and return it to him.  The IRS many times loses tax returns; it is important to be sure to plan so you can assure that the bankruptcy will work.

 

             Then brave Mr. Harry got a second mortgage on his home. Since he had just filed returns, there was no federal tax lien on his home.  He used the money to enjoy a much needed vacation and to buy new things for the home that were important like sheets and blankets and dishes and stuff nobody would want on the used market.  Then he went out and traded in his old junker for a new car.  The new car was purchased with minimum down and longest possible payment rate.  Of course, after a few months, the IRS stated looking for Mr. Harry, and they finally found his job and sent a notice of intent to levy.  Mr. Harry was all prepared with a 433A.  Of course he had heavy-duty payments on his new car and a second mortgage to pay off on his home.  The only value in his home was less than the State exemption amount for purposes of the bankruptcy court.  Since his 433A reflected that he was spending lots of bucks to live, the IRS worked out a payment plan with him.  Now, Mr. Harry knew that the IRS would apply his payments in their advantage; so he wrote them a letter each month and asked them to apply the payments to the most recent year's tax liability. The IRS ignored him and proceeded on its course.

 

             And then it happened.  Mr. Harry had waited out all the statutes.  His taxes were three years old, his returns were filed for two years, and there were more than 240 days since the day of assessment.  Mr. Harry checked out all that statutory stuff on his IMF before Bankruptcy Court.

 

             So what did Mr. Harry do?  He popped the IRS with a bankruptcy.  Then he filed an adversary proceeding.  In the suit, he argued that all the dischargeable years were discharged by the bankruptcy and that the non-dischargeable year was paid by the monthly installments he had paid for the last two years.  He wrote a great suit.  Well, guess what happened?  The IRS backed down immediately; they changed their attitude.  They agreed to stipulate that Mr. Harry had bankrupted the dischargeable years and that the non- dischargeable year was paid off.  Mr. Harry really blasted them.  So how is Harry now?  Well, he had a great vacation and he is sleeping on new sheets and taking advantage of the new kitchen he got with the second mortgage.  He is driving a great new car and he is getting all his paycheck.  Even though he didn't pay social security for the last ten years, he can still retire and get social security at the highest rate because he makes a lot of money.  He has decided to stay off the front lines of the freedom movement.  After all, the rearguard is more important than you can possibly realize.  By the way, Mr. Harry really didn't want to use this approach, but now he is glad he did. He bankrupted over 200 K in back taxes, interest and penalties.  He is now a happy man and the Freedom Movement is much better off for his approach.  Let's hope that all of you, who are backed into a corner by the IRS, do the same.  Keep on keeping on.